Guidefitter Spotlight Episode 14: Dan McNamee, CEO of Two Vets Tripods

Transcript

Bryan Koontz (00:03), The following is a conversation with Dan McNamee. He's the founder and president/owner of Two Vets Tripods based in New York. Dan is a Marine Corps veteran and started Two Vets several years ago. Join me for this conversation to learn more about Dan, his company, and a little bit more about tripod hunting. Welcome to the Guidefitter Spotlight.

Bryan Koontz (00:00), I, I just got this, I've had a Christiansen modern carbon rifle on order for a while from them. And it finally came in maybe two weeks or so ago. And then, we threw an Arca rail on the bottom and from one of our other partners, Salmon River. And then, just this morning I was, I knew I was talking to you and I had, had your tripod in the truck and I'm like,

Two Vets Tripods (00:07), Thank Thank

Bryan Koontz (00:23), This is perfect. I just threw the Arca Rail on the Christiansen. So I quickly mounted it to this one. This is the

Two Vets Tripods (00:26), Perfect.

Bryan Koontz (00:31), I think I got the Kit and yeah, the Kit V2 and then Brian the other Brian Brian Worthington—yeah, think this is your flagship, the no name, the no name V2. Can you see that? Yeah, yeah the no name V2 so

Two Vets Tripods (00:32), Yep, yep, can't beat you. Yep. Yeah, yeah, no name V2.

Bryan Koontz (00:51), We actually grabbed those before we were even partnering with you—before Guidefitter was partnering with Two Vets. We had an opportunity to go to a long range shooting school that was put on by the folks at Scout Arms. I don't know if you know those guys, Scott Peck and Creighton Green; they're a Montana company building some pretty cool precision rifles and they're doing some neat like Glock mods and stuff. But anyway, they put on a precision, long range, precision shooting school here in Montana that was taught by some of the folks from Modern Day Sniper. So Brian and I, think we're the only two that showed up—we showed up with some brand new out of the box Two Vets tripods. And it was pretty cool. I mean, we learned a lot in that school.

Two Vets Tripods (01:16), Yep. Hahaha!

Bryan Koontz (01:39), But one of the things that's really cool about those couple of days is they really took some time to talk about various methods of using tripods—tripod shooting. And it was things that I frankly wouldn't have thought of, at least initially. I thought you mounted just like I have this rifle mounted to this tripod, shoot off the Arca rail and you're good to go. But they're big fans of Salmon River's plate.

Two Vets Tripods (01:51), Yeah.

Bryan Koontz (02:05), The kind of flat plate with an Arca rail adapter on the bottom, but it's just a flat metal plate—really lightweight. And then you can set like a, yeah, a tack table. Yeah, there you go. Tack table—you can set a bag on top and we learned how to shoot from that. We learned how to use the tripod as a rear stabilizer, if you're shooting on a fence post or something like that. So there's so much versatility with the tripod and it seems like tripod hunting is catching on more and more. I think it's probably because

Two Vets Tripods (02:11), Yeah, Tack Table. Yeah. Yep.

Bryan Koontz (02:32), They're getting lighter and, you know, used to be you'd have to carry this giant metal thing around with you. But

Two Vets Tripods (02:38), Yeah, stability, weight savings, mounting options—those are all factors that play into being able to use tripods in a more versatile way.

Bryan Koontz (02:48), Yeah, it was fun though. I mean, you know what, it really boosts your confidence when you get comfortable with all the various methods of shooting off a tripod and you're wringing steel at 800 yards, 1200 yards. It's like a super confidence booster. You're like, okay, this is possible. Yeah.

Two Vets Tripods (02:50), Thanks. Yeah, yeah—shows you all the different positions that you can really do it with.

Bryan Koontz (03:08), Totally. Yeah. Well, anyway, I know we dove right into talking about tripods, but I'm excited just to hear more about you and how—anytime I can talk to entrepreneurs and hear their story is great because, you know, being one, I know it's definitely not always an easy road to hoe for sure. But maybe we could start a little bit. Obviously, the company's name is Two Vets—I think you and your prior business partner, is he still involved with the company? I don't know.

Two Vets Tripods (03:34), Yeah, no. So we started—I kind of started the business offering everything. We sold, you know, steel targets, chassis, bags, stuff like that. I started it with a partner and then decided I wanted to move the business a different path and kind of move it towards tripods. And he wanted to go the more traditional route of a mom-and-pop gun shop with more precision-based stuff. So we just separated ways and, you know, at that time the brand was already established; everybody kind of knew Two Vets was the name. So I ended up keeping the name Two Vets and just progressing it as the business grew.

Bryan Koontz (04:07), Yeah. That's cool. Where'd you grow up?

Two Vets Tripods (04:15), I lived all over the place as a kid—mostly in Massachusetts, but spent some time in other places too.

Bryan Koontz (04:26), I lived in New England for a little bit—lived in a suburb of Boston for a while, Brookline. I spent, yeah, I know, I was going to school up there. But anyway, I endured the New England winters. Any weekend I could, I got out of the city and we usually traveled up to Maine and through New Hampshire. Beautiful—you know, the Kangamangas Highway up through New Hampshire. I like New England. It's, you know, generally a pretty cool place.

Two Vets Tripods (04:34), Yep. Yeah, I want to go south. I want to get out of the snow and cold weather—I'm done with it, man. My body doesn't like it.

Bryan Koontz (04:58), Yeah. Is that where you live now? Where do you live now?

Two Vets Tripods (05:04), I'm in New York. I actually live in the Casco Mountains—I have about 65-70 acres behind my house and a 600-yard rifle range. I kind of live away from everybody, but close enough to everything for convenience.

Bryan Koontz (05:06), New York, OK. Sweet. I see, but you're just getting sick of the cold weather. You're ready for...

Two Vets Tripods (05:22), Yeah, yeah—I got into boats and now I'm starting my journey into flying and stuff like that. So I definitely want to go where the weather's nicer.

Bryan Koontz (05:29), Wow. Well, that's cool. I lived a long time in Texas—it’s a whole different extreme. It's like the reverse; you have to stay in your house during the summer unless you cook, you know, but...

Two Vets Tripods (05:33), Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now 29 Palms messed it up for me. I was stationed there for four years—120 in the summer and 80 in the winter. I played ice hockey for 15 years growing up, so I was used to cold and snow, loved it, and then lived out there in the Marine Corps. But when I came back, I was like, “Nope, this ain't it, man. I just want warm weather.”

Bryan Koontz (06:07), Well, tell me about your military service. You joined the Marine Corps. Tell me a little bit about that whole journey.

Two Vets Tripods (06:11), Yep. So I did four years in the Marine Corps as a motor team mechanic—nothing crazy. I really loved my time in the Corps, but I was ready to start life. When I got back from deployment, I decided to move on. I got out of the military, got into horse training and blacksmithing for a while, and then moved on. It was a really tough transitional time.

Bryan Koontz (06:37), That's cool.

Two Vets Tripods (06:43), I was running the business, doing blacksmithing, and working a day job. I did that for quite a while until I finally just got the cojones and decided it was time to make a commitment. It was scary, but it needed to be done.

Bryan Koontz (06:57), Yeah, I gotcha. Blacksmithing is cool. My dad has a farm in Pennsylvania and he's 82, still out hunting. It's great. I'm going back with him on the opening day of Pennsylvania. But anyway, on his place behind the farmhouse there's an old foundation—it was an old blacksmith shop from when the old homestead was there. I've always thought about playing archaeologist and digging through there. That's

Two Vets Tripods (07:24), Yeah.

Bryan Koontz (07:25), So how did you get into blacksmithing? And what do you make? That's pretty cool.

Two Vets Tripods (07:29), When I got out of the Marine Corps, I met my ex—we boarded trains, horses, I rode cutters, sorted horses for a while—and then I got into farrier work, which is essentially realistic blacksmithing. I did that for a while; it was tough on the back and hard to balance while running Two Vets and working a day job.

Bryan Koontz (07:41), Yep. Yep.

Two Vets Tripods (07:59), That just kind of went to the wayside and I decided to push forward with the business.

Bryan Koontz (08:05), Right, right, yeah. My daughter and I sometimes watch Forged in Fire, you know, where the blacksmiths make knives. I've always thought it would be fun if I had time to fire up a forge and learn blacksmithing—it just seems like getting back to real manly stuff. So how did you, having started with your former business partner, transition to tripods? How did that light bulb go off?

Two Vets Tripods (08:14), Yeah. Yeah.

Bryan Koontz (08:33), When did the light bulb go off that maybe high-end tripods would be a good direction for you to take?

Two Vets Tripods (08:46), It was kind of, shortly after starting the business—when it really began transitioning into the tripod business. I was doing hog saddle, Coffinger—really right stuff. There really wasn't anybody else in the business doing tripods in between that; everybody catered to their own customer base. So I kind of found that opportunity.

Bryan Koontz (09:02), Yep.

Two Vets Tripods (09:14), At that time there weren't many offerings in carbon fiber tripods. So that's when I started making progress. We've gone from our original tripod—priced around $415—to now being in the $600 price point. With that change, we've made advancements in the tripods. Our old tripod used CASC and C parts, but we saw structural integrity issues over time, so we moved to a full CNC machine tripod, which inherently costs more. It was a good transition and it has fared really well with people.

Bryan Koontz (10:01), How did you learn all the engineering side of it? Like the materials, the machining process, the manufacturing process. That's not nothing—there's a lot that goes into that.

Two Vets Tripods (10:06), Thank—That's a school of hard knocks. That's where I learned all that, to be honest. It was through experience using products, testing and comparing. Even when we made the tripods we have now, we went through a lot of testing regarding carbon fiber and material makeup. I do have people I can credit on the engineering side—if we do this or that, they help me figure out what it’s going to look like.

Bryan Koontz (10:16), Okay.

Two Vets Tripods (10:41), So, in a way, it was essentially through experience and testing other products. We're very fortunate—many of our testers are from the soft community, and we get to run tests with them. That really validates our product because those guys use and abuse it every day.

Bryan Koontz (11:12), Yeah, no doubt. And as I mentioned earlier, tripod hunting is really growing. Maybe you could talk a little about that. Who is the prototypical Two Vets customer? I'm curious about where it is today, what's happening with the industry, and where you see it going. It seems to me that out in the West it's a no-brainer. We shoot longer range out here—I'm even planning to take this in my Mystery Ranch Metcalf backpack, tie it on even though it's a bit heavy. So what's the prototypical customer now, and how do you see that expanding?

Two Vets Tripods (11:43), Mm-hmm. As far as our current customer base, we have everyone—from military and law enforcement to lightweight backwoods, backcountry hunters, and predator hunters. We offer models to cater to all these different communities. One thing we do differently is that people call me, and I go through a mental checklist to figure out their application and what they're looking to do.

Bryan Koontz (12:09), Mm.

Two Vets Tripods (12:25), I figure out what the application is—I've even done it with you—and then we go through the pros and cons of each tripod for that application. For example, if you call me saying, “Hey, I'm a predator hunter. I want to go out West and do PRS NRL,” that tripod is going to be very different from the one for someone who just says, “Hey, I want to do PRS NRL and I don't care about collapse size and length.”

Bryan Koontz (12:55), And what about for the listeners who may not know what's PRS and NRL?

Two Vets Tripods (12:59), Yeah, so that's competition shooting—different types of competition shooting. But as far as the application, everybody's got a different need, and we build tripods based on the shooter’s requirements.

Bryan Koontz (13:05), Mm-hmm.

Two Vets Tripods (13:23), No, I mean, go ahead.

Bryan Koontz (13:27), Well, I was gonna say, it seems like that is a differentiator. There are others out there with a message for that community as well as for the shooting community. And one thing that stands out about you is that it seems like you're squarely targeting the shooting/hunting community at this point.

Two Vets Tripods (13:46), Yeah, so a lot of our tripods are designed with shooting in mind. I have conversations with customers daily—they call me and say, “Hey, this is the weed I want to be at,” and we figure out which tripod fits. There are some companies that focus on the lightest possible weight, which is fine, but reducing weight can also reduce stability. We're primarily focused on the shooting aspect because as a backwards hunter, you know you're chasing an animal for days and get one shot. If I had carried an extra six ounces for a more stable platform, my shot at 800 yards would be more stable.

Bryan Koontz (15:07), Yeah, I can tell from that shooting school—the different platforms, the death grips, and other setups. When you're out at 800-plus yards, you can really feel the mechanical wobble. You can tell the difference between a precision machined head and one that's not. It's huge.

Two Vets Tripods (15:26), Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Bryan Koontz (15:36), So, yeah, tolerances—very, very small tolerances matter a lot when you're shooting at long ranges. It's like any other piece of kit: you can spend $300 on a rifle scope or $3,000 on one. If you're just starting out, I don't recommend a $3,000 scope. Maybe it's the same with a tripod. Get comfortable with it, but ultimately you buy quality once and then it becomes your trusted piece of gear.

Two Vets Tripods (16:19), Yeah, I've had what I call Custer or Jesus conversations with customers about, “Hey, maybe you don't need a tripod right now,” or, “Do you carry a bipod?” So there are options to supplement your tripod with a bipod if you don't want to carry one separately. In my opinion, a tripod is an essential piece of kit for certain applications, but not all.

Bryan Koontz (16:49), Yeah. With that in mind, can you briefly step through the product line? I know I have two that I mentioned here—maybe touch on the idea behind them and some particular use cases, and then we can get into future roadmap stuff.

Two Vets Tripods (16:59), Yep. So I'll start with the series models. For instance, our QDT series has four different tripods within it, and we're expanding our product line. Typically, the QDT series is aimed at predators and PRS NRL shooters. It has a 42 millimeter main tube and a 39-inch maximum collapse height—very beefy and robust for great stability. Then we have the Recon series, ranging from 27 to 30 inches, with both inverted and non-inverted options for PRS, NRL, law enforcement, and military use, which can also work for backcountry applications. Next is the No Name series—a smaller, more compact 23-inch collapse tripod that is great for military, law enforcement, PRS NRL, and backwoods use, though it may have a bit more weight for backwards applications. Then there's the Kit, which is a bit lighter and designed for backcountry use with a shorter max height, also around 23 inches. Finally, we have the Voyager, which is super lightweight at 2 pounds 12 ounces for backcountry use, and the Infill, also for backcountry use at 2 pounds.

Bryan Koontz (18:43), Got it. OK. What's that—you mentioned inverted—what are the use cases for an inverted system, where an optic or a firearm is mounted below the intersection of the legs?

Two Vets Tripods (18:53), An inverted system is essentially when you flip the tube so that the twist locks are at the top. This setup is really nice for fine tuning and adjustment. The best comparison is using a center column for fine adjustments, but a center column raises the center of the tripod and decreases stability. With an inverted system, since the twist locks are at the top, the user doesn't have to bend over to adjust—they can sit, untwist, lift the system, and retighten for fine adjustments. The drawback is that it puts a smaller tube at the top, which takes more torsion, so it's a bit less stable—but in my opinion, that's negligible and it definitely has its uses.

Bryan Koontz (19:58), Got it. Got it. Well, since we're talking about uses and applications, what are common mistakes you see people make when trying to use a tripod as a shooting platform?

Two Vets Tripods (20:13), In my opinion, there's no one common mistake. The key is to get an education on how to mount to a tripod because different instructors teach different methods. For example, some military types use their sling around a leg for stability, while other instructors may suggest crossing your arm under or aligning the same side arm with the same side leg. Tripod shooting isn't like shooting off a concrete table—it takes practice to find what works best for you. I recommend checking reputable YouTube instructors, combining their methods, and adapting to your own physical limitations, like if you have a rotator cuff issue. Every person is different, and that's one thing I love about tripods. I recently spoke with a customer who takes veterans out despite disabilities—one guy had a stroke and can't use his entire left side—and the tripod still works for him.

Bryan Koontz (21:58), That's a good point.

Two Vets Tripods (22:07), I can't lay down on the ground anymore to shoot. What tripod do you recommend when you can only shoot from a seated position because you can't stand long due to bad knees? That's really the benefit of tripods—they can cater to your injuries and limitations. You just have to practice and see what works best for you.

Bryan Koontz (22:26), Yeah. How do you think about advice? I'm sure you get this from time to time—it’s like, should you have a bipod attached, a tripod, or both? There are brands like MDT with awesome bipods that many competition shooters use, but that might interfere with a tripod. Especially for backcountry hunting, you're looking at all this gear and making trade-offs. So how do you think about the advice of bipod versus tripod? Obviously, you're biased, but I'm curious.

Two Vets Tripods (22:41), Yep.

Bryan Koontz (22:54), So how do you think about the bipod versus tripod debate?

Two Vets Tripods (23:09), Yeah, yeah. It really comes down to the environment. If you're hunting out West in tall grass, there are very few bipods on the market that will work. For example, we make the Voyager tripod—a two-pound, 12-ounce unit where you can unscrew two legs to use as walking sticks. We’re even releasing walking handles for them. Instead of carrying a separate tripod head and poles, you carry an integrated system where you can unscrew one leg, use two as a modified bipod, and leave the third as rear support. That’s what we’re designing for.

Bryan Koontz (23:38), That's cool.

Two Vets Tripods (24:04), I guess it comes down to the user. If you're someone who isn’t too focused on cutting every ounce—if you’re not leaving your favorite underwear at home to save weight—it really depends on your application. I've talked to people who say, “I'm hunting out West and I don't care about length or weight,” versus someone who's hiking seven miles a day and wants to cut down on every bit of weight.

Bryan Koontz (24:19), Right.

Two Vets Tripods (24:33), I guess for someone who’s on the back of the pack, that's going to be a different tripod than for someone who's, say, hiking long distances while cutting weight.

Bryan Koontz (24:44), Yeah, I love that system you described. Wow. The versatility with the walking sticks and then the rear support is huge because a lot of people forget that when they get their front mount down and rely solely on muscle to stabilize the back end. Sometimes you even throw a pack with a frame under it to support your skeletal structure rather than muscle. What you just described is pretty cool. If you have time for the setup—like for long-range, you usually have a couple of minutes—it's a big advantage.

Two Vets Tripods (25:27), Yeah, yes.

Bryan Koontz (26:04), I can speak firsthand—before we even talked about partnering, I bought this tripod and I think it was from Armageddon Gear. I got the little handle and leg wraps, which were different from what was displayed. I emailed you guys, and you called me and walked me through it. That stands out a lot. And then we started talking about partnering, and here we are—so stoked that we're finally partnering so that our members can participate with you guys.

Two Vets Tripods (27:14), Leg wraps.

Bryan Koontz (27:22), I think I sent you an email and you called me like, “Hey, let me talk you through what you got.” Sorry about that—it was a brand new thing, and that really stands out. And then obviously we started talking about partnering and here we are, so stoked that we're finally partnering together so our members can participate with you guys. That was cool.

Two Vets Tripods (27:40), Yeah, yeah, no— that's always important to me. Honestly, as a company owner, I take a lot of phone calls and emails, and I learn some awesome stories. I have one guy down in Georgia—he's in his seventies, no family, an old-time vet—and we talked for 45 minutes to an hour about tripods and life.

Bryan Koontz (28:04), Yeah.

Two Vets Tripods (28:18), Most of it was about tripods and life. I'm a big advocate for veterans—being a vet myself, I always tell people, “If you need someone to talk to as a vet, give me a call.” I don't even care if it's about the tripod or not. If you need help, my phone's always on—that's important to me.

Bryan Koontz (28:45), That's awesome.

Two Vets Tripods (28:47), It's a big door to open up, but at the end of the day I love what I do and I always want to be available to customers and to veterans if they need it.

Bryan Koontz (28:56), No, that's fantastic. So, what's the future look like for Two Vets Tripods? Can you talk at all about your future roadmap? Or is that super top secret? Where do you think the company is going in the next year-ish, and maybe in the next four or five years?

Two Vets Tripods (29:01), Thank Thank. Yeah. So, as far as growth, we plan on expanding some new models of tripods for new applications. I like to say someone's driving the bus and I'm riding along—we're just adapting to growth. I've had a lot of growth; I didn't go to school for business, so if this were a school of hard knocks, I love what I do. We're just continuing down the path of progressing—when we get customer feedback, when we demo units, we're trying to figure out the next best thing. Sometimes it's with the help of customers, sometimes through our own use. So our roadmap for the next year is to keep producing models, making tripods available, and answering questions and helping customers. And hopefully in the next couple of years, we'll be moving forward even more.

Bryan Koontz (30:15), Yeah, getting out of this snow. But it sounds like whatever you end up doing, whatever the details, the theme is hunting, precision, long-range precision shooting, and things like that. Is that generally the lane you'll stay in?

Two Vets Tripods (30:41), Yeah, we don't plan to push into the photography or videography market. We do have a couple of customers who use our product for that, but those customers are less concerned with the stability required for a 35-pound rifle than for a three-pound camera. So, we're definitely staying in our lane. As I built this company, I looked at opportunities to branch out, but I believe staying focused is key. I've seen optics companies and chassis companies try to make tripods, but our primary focus remains on shooting and precision.

Bryan Koontz (31:21), I totally agree. Yeah.

Two Vets Tripods (31:35), I've been in this long enough to know that staying in our lane and focusing on what we do best is what will keep us at the top of this market. Spreading ourselves too thin isn't good for business.

Bryan Koontz (31:54), Plus, you're not going to call up a major tripod company like Manfrotto and have an in-depth conversation about backcountry long-range shooting and hunting, right? That just doesn't happen. So, yeah, I totally agree with your focus.

Two Vets Tripods (32:07), Yeah, yeah. I think that having shooting experience in the background, a great community behind us, and working with the right people has helped us develop the best product now and will continue to do so. If I had a photography background trying to build tripods for precision shooting, it just wouldn't be as good. We saw early issues with our first tripods—stress fractures, hairline cracks, parts breaking. That pushed us to where we are today. While most companies might shrug off a few failures on thousands of tripods, for us, when failures occur, it's a dire situation we need to fix. I don't want a customer out west or on a lifetime hunt to have their gear fail. We're here to make a product you never have to worry about.

Bryan Koontz (33:28), Yeah, now I get it. One other question—one of the last questions, because time flies. When I bought my tripod from you guys, I texted pictures to my brothers back in Pennsylvania and their reaction was, “Holy cow, how much did you spend on that tripod?” I think a lot of people have that reaction when they see a premium tripod. How do you respond to that sticker shock?

Two Vets Tripods (34:10), Generally speaking, it's all about quality. Many customers come to us after buying other tripods and having issues with customer service, product quality, or warranties. With us, you don't get that. For example, I once shipped a package with second-day air on a Tuesday for a customer who needed it by Saturday. He called on Thursday asking what was happening, and we immediately shipped another package next day air. It arrived in time for his hunt, and he appreciated that level of customer support. I’ve had another customer who called because he broke a leg on his tripod from his pack—we sent him a replacement leg without hassle. We really stand by a no-BS warranty with our product.

Bryan Koontz (35:11), Yeah.

Two Vets Tripods (35:37), That goes a long way. I always advise people to look at the quality of the gear, the customer service, and the overall experience. If those line up, then buy what makes you happy. But if the gear is good and the customer experience is terrible, the warranty will suffer. So if you get sticker shock, give us a call. I'm happy to explain what we do differently, and let you try the product out.

Bryan Koontz (36:02), Totally.

Two Vets Tripods (36:04), So those are the things I always recommend. If you get sticker shock, give us a call. I'm happy to explain our differences, let you try the product, and help you decide. Price is tough for a lot of people, and we try to stay cost-affordable, even though for some it might still seem like a lot of money—let me show you why.

Bryan Koontz (36:31), Yeah, yeah.

Two Vets Tripods (36:33), Some people think it's a lot of money—I get it—but let me explain and let you try the product out.

Bryan Koontz (36:41), Yeah, totally. Also, for any high-end piece of gear, I think more and more people are waking up to the benefits of a high-end tripod as the materials get lighter and technology advances. It's kind of like anything else core to your kit. We all come from different income levels and make trade-offs on what we carry—whether it's optics, binoculars, rifle scopes, or even the rifle itself. And the other core pieces of kit, like footwear and a pack, are crucial too. When you think about the energy, time, money, and practice that goes into that split-second trigger pull, you want everything to line up perfectly. So if you're practiced at shooting from a tripod and it gives you that extra edge for an ethical shot, it's worth it. Even if you can't afford the premium one now, eventually you want to have that stable, precision-machined head to eliminate wobble.

Two Vets Tripods (39:55), Yeah. I've had what I call Custer or Jesus conversations with customers about, “Maybe you don't need a tripod right now,” or “Do you carry a bipod?” You can supplement your tripod with a bipod if needed, but in my opinion, a tripod is an essential piece of kit for certain applications, though not all.

Bryan Koontz (40:22), Right,

Two Vets Tripods (40:23), I mean, there's a lot of things—look at any community. The guy shooting a $300 rifle scope can shoot right next to the guy with a $3,000 scope. But what we're about is hopefully a buy-once, cry-once approach. You shouldn't have to upgrade from a lower-end tripod to us and then move up again. The buck stops with us, and we aim to provide everything you need through our conversations and support.

Bryan Koontz (40:39), There you go, right.

Two Vets Tripods (40:52), That helps the customer realize that. For example, I recently had an email from a customer looking at a specific tripod for an application. He already had another one and was trying to decide which one was right. I told him it wasn't the right fit for his needs and recommended he wait until we had the perfect model. Some companies would just sell you a tripod and leave you in a bad spot, but we want you to be properly fitted.

Bryan Koontz (41:23), Yeah.

Two Vets Tripods (41:23), Yep. Very cool. Well, Dan, this has been awesome talking to you. I appreciate the time—it’s been great getting to know you and learning more about your company. I think tripod shooting is one of those areas that’s only going to continue to grow, especially for people like me and the other Brian at Guidefitter who had that “aha” moment shooting steel off our tripods and realizing the advantage it gives. I hope this partnership is a success and that anyone eligible for the Two Vets program through Guidefitter checks us out. I've fired quite a few rounds off our tripods and love them, and I highly recommend you check them out. Hopefully, we'll check back in a year or so, see how the roadmap is going, and have you back to talk more about where you're at then. Really appreciate you spending time with us today and I hope people learn a little about you and your company from this.

Two Vets Tripods (42:32), Yeah, appreciate you having us.

Bryan Koontz (42:34), All right, thanks, Dan.

Two Vets Tripods (42:36), Thanks.